Anyway, Scott wanted to know rather urgently - how to tell if a girl was a real girl (genetically) or a she-male. He was at a bar, and he met a girl. And he was attracted to her, but also had a feeling that she may be a Man. I asked him why and he said she was unusually tall for an Asian girl.
So I told him to do the arm test (see below)... and went back to sleep.
The next morning, I asked him how it went, and he just said it was "inconclusive". Inconclusive? yeah right.. I bet he did the arm test and realised it was a man!
Although Scott is a somewhat awkward red-headed chap... i don't really blame him for not being able to tell if it were a man or woman he was getting cozy with at the bar.
Sex change operations are freaking amazing now. And a lot of them look so much better than us real women!

But in Asia where people are smaller built and men (korean, japanese, chinese, etc) tend to be smaller built and have softer features (not so chunky)... it's even harder to tell a transgender or transvestite from a real woman.

First, let's clarify some things:
Transvestite is a male who dresses as a female.
She-male is a man who has taken hormones and maybe even had his adam's apple "shaved" and had facial injection but still has his penis and balls.
Transsexual is a male who has gone through the complete operation to become a physical woman.
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Not that I have anything against transvestites, she-males or transsexuals. But if you're a straight man, I'm guessing you wouldn't want to ignorantly hook up with any of the three? (unless of course that is what you want, then by all means go ahead)
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Apart from the Adams apple, deep voice, balls and penis or facial hair... all of which sex change operations and hormone pills can fix.... how can u tell if it's a man or woman?
Holly Jean's 5 Ways to Spot A Tranny
1. The Physical
Shoulders: Women's shoulders-to-hips ratio is typically more in proportion to one another. Men have narrower hips.
Size: of hands and feet ( For Asian women- bigger than a US 9/UK7 is questionable)
Jaw line: About mid-point in a male jawbone is a sudden change of angle.
On a woman the jawbone is more or less a softer curve from under the ear to the chin.
However, some traits that we think of as gender-specific, aren't necessarily so. Some women have big shoulders, some women are tall, some men are short... so let's move on to number 2..
2. The Arm Test
3. The Center of Gravity Test
Follow instructions in my video. If they fall forward, it’s a man. If they keep their balance, it’s a woman.
This is because women have a lower center of gravity. We’ve got short torsos, long legs and wide hips. Men, on the other hand, have long torsos with bigger chest cavity (bigger ribcage) so a lot of weight is in their chests. So when he tries to lean forward to touch the paper, he can’t do it because it brings his center of mass too far forward in front of his knees and he falls over.
4. The Evidence from the Past
Ask to see some childhood pics of her. This is one of the most discreet ways to find out, without looking like you SUSPECT SHE'S A MAN. But if she doesn't show you any... hmmm... (try the tests above!)
5. The Crotch
If you're a brave boy... and end up in bed together before you can ascertain whether she's a true female or not... then look at her crotch. A post surgery crotch/vagina is higher than a real woman's.
Do share if you have any other "tests" or any experience regarding this subject. Would be interesting to hear what you have to say.-----------------------
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but a bit hard to test your date without offending her!!!!
Your charm hair stick is very pretty. but it's not on the lav website yet??
well, of course you got to be sneaky... and turn it into a game! Like say "I bet $10 you can't touch this piece of paper with your nose"
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the arm test doesnt work for me!
pardon the fats! thats not the main point. LOL.
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this is so worrying. haha.
your arm in the pic is like bent more than 180degrees!
what fats? so skinny
well the first pic, can't tell becos u must twist the elbow up when you straighten your arm. so from the camera's view point, u can see whether it's more or exactly than 180degrees. :)
second pic... i dunnoe what. hahahaaa :D
i tried so hard to keep my arm straight while doing the right way. (2nd pic) it bent more than 180!
thanks anyway.
really like your blog. i come here almost every day!
I am a guy too but the 2 fingers are almost equal length.
I was looking at the pic of your arms to find see mark fingers and yours, and I realise his hands are huge! so many times bigger than yours. ( I know what tht means!) lol
my arm is straight. so I agree with that.
Haven't tried the balance test yet!
anon 11.04 - yes, every one can stretch it out to 180 degrees!!
A girl can stretch it out to More than 180 degrees... almost like the bending extends further. but a guy can only go up to 180 degrees.
Do you have any fail-proof ways to know? I know I am not a girl, & this is frustrating to have you list things that turn out wrong!
And I did mention that some women have masculine bodies and vice versa.
Perhaps you have long legs? Or skinny chest and not muscular shoulders hence less weight there.
Even the arm test... currently I have a Man's "arm" instead of my usual woman's one. Been really pushing it at the gym, and my right arm (especially)can't straighten to more the 180 at the moment. (!) Hopefully tht will go back to normal after a few days and the muscles heal
In women, if you hold your arm straight in front of you, with your palms facing the other palm, then you will see the angle in the elbow of women.
However, the same things will also be seen in a trangender woman and in gay men. The reason is because these gender differences between men and women happens in the womb. And the womb environment for transgender women, gay men and genetic women are all similar. So they all develop similar features.
Totally agree with yukimika. These people suffer all their lives within their own bodies. It is sad. And it is totally wrong for the rest of us to make fun of them by talking about these kinds of "spot the tranny" exercises.
And about yukimika's comment, to end the struggling, you should not try to hide from your gender, that is a fool's and a coward's way, you should learn accept what you are. Because you cannot change it, and it's not a prison, not some sort of punishment, it's you, what you were born, what you are and what you will die. I said this many times and I'll say it many more.
Sincerely,
the one u called a fucking ignorant piece of shit. Hahaaaaaaaa
Did you know that the word 'tranny' is as insulting to transsexual people (both sexes) as the N word is to African American people?
Knowing this, if you still think it's ok to use the word, it would tell me everything I want to know about the type of person you might be.
Sophie Lambert
You or other transgendered people may find it insulting but it is nothing close to the N word for African American people
Black people are born with the genetics and live with what they are, with no choice, and dont go through race change surgery or trans-racing or whatever
A transgendered person makes the choice to bring that attention to themselves, just because they can not face the reality of the situation of their genetics, and then go to great lengths for a cosmetic change of who they believe to be, when their genes and DNA say the exact opposite
It is not even comparable
Lastly, why are transgendered people so hateful towards cisgender people?
We are not forcing you to change your lifestyle
Straight Cisgender Males have to find out this information, otherwise they could have severe psychological disorders, if a transgender person wants to go out with them
It is a sexual preference like a trans person. Their sexual preference is a straight cisgender woman.
I am not even sure cisgender is the right word
Enjoy feeling comfortable in your own sexed body and gendered experiences. It must be nice to look in the mirror and see yourself, instead of something ravaged by testosterone. It must also be wonderful to have no one ever question that you're female. I'll never know. Hey, but I guess you earned it through all that effort it took to be born. Just rub it in our faces.
And this part goes for both you and your commenters. Stay the hell away from any trans women you might meet. We have enough shit to endure without you flinging your half-formed mental turds at us.
I hope you inform men you wish to date about your operation, starting a future on a lie would be wrong.
It's a bit to close to homosexuality, unless the guy is bi, then it's ok.
2. This blog is to help non-bisexual men differenciate between natural born women and post op transexual women(who like men), so that they needn't request a blood test from every girl they meet. Most men don't wish to sleep with/marry or try to have babies with a transexual.
It's very mentally scarring for men to find out afterwards, & not every transexual can be expected to be honest anout their operation especially if they are rejected alot by straight men, unless they prefer bisexuals.
As for you anonymous person, there are women who are born with XY genes. Genes dont really affect social life much.
Do you realize that you look like a fucking man yourself? Seriously? The only thing that makes me think you arr not a tranny is that you arr fucking ugly and usually trannies clean up much more nicely than you. So, let me reiterate it. You look like a fucking ugly man and you have a very manly face. Do you say you are a woman? Maybe you weeeere a Woman, but now not anymore. You are a piece of dead meat. All these repulsive hypocritea who talk about procreation and having children. Do you try to have children every time
You have sex? And by the time
A woman is 40 and
Can't have children anymore, she is a goner. She is no longer a woman. And the hands thing is so fucking stupid.
If it was really the hands what gives tranny aways, they'll all
Move to Siberia and wear gloves. Holly Jean, I hope you die with vaginal cancer and you shot from your mouth, puke blood
If you wanna be nasty freaks go ahead but normal straight men want NOTHING to do with you.
I just stumbled upon your blog and I have to say that I'm honestly shocked at this post, it truly is shocking to see such backwards thinking, especially in such a contemporary society. I'm genuinely so shocked at the attitudes shown by yourself and in the comments below, and I cannot believe that this view is promoted by others. I for one am a cis woman, so no, I don't have the trans experience, and I only clicked on this link because I wished that it was a satirical post, but this article is stuffed with bigotry and just nasty on the whole.
I understand your lack of knowledge towards an unfamiliar subject, but I don't at all agree with the lack of respect towards a group of people. Please do refrain from using terms such as "trannie" "real women" and "she-male" because it's honestly so disgusting to see a group of people targetted like this.
Just my two cents, if anyone would like an argument I'm always open to that.
Cheers
The choice to be tranny is particular to that individual and it is not our place to judge. The choice to date tranny should be equally respected. The problem arises when you ask someone who was female from birth if she's a woman from birth. It's not exactly light dating discussion now is it?
There is a place for awareness and understanding so that unsuccessful match ups can be avoided. It doesn't serve anyone to have a pairing that later involves rejection on such a personal level. It is better to know, and then to date those with a biological history you can accept.
Thank you to the original author, and to those who can understand and appreciate the information she has shared.
If there are ZERO Y chromosomes it is a...
for them. To get some of you to understand, you being transexual see this really atteractive man come over to you in a bar he introduces himself flirts with you you exchange numbers everything progresses a few weeks, on the day your first sexual experiance with this guy you tell him your transgendered he being your perfect man doesnt mind that you were once a man and he takes you to bed. A few more weeks pass and you begin to fall in love and see a future with him and he is in love with you aswell and he decides that after about a year or so of dateing you he wants to take a trip and introduce you to his parents. You head out and arrive at their home meet them and then you bring him over to meet your parents, the relation ship continues he proposes to you you say yes. You plan a family meet up so the parents can see each other just in a casual house party your parents comee in sit down and shortly after his parents come in they walk over and his father recognizes your father they grew up together. They're cousins and of course you look over at your husband to be and he puts his arm around you and says to his parents yes I know we are related ive known before we ever got involved that we were cousins. You not knowing this just had a bomb dropped on you and you have to options marry him because you love him and it doesnt matter anyway because you cant possibly inbreed with each other. Or refuse to marry your cousin crush his heart and be called a incestophobic.
This is what some men fear with trans women that they wont tell them until they
have reached the point where they can hide it and then they tell them. Its takeing away there right to choose to be with who they want to be with and the arguement always is it was there choice to take me to bed and its all about feelings and love yes and no if they knew you were transgendered could you honestly say they would have still loved you without any doubt in your mind. Because It was also
your choice to take your cousin to bed because you loved them but most of you wouldnt have done it had you known who he actually was.
Some of you might have and it doesnt matter to you its your choice but these men just ask that you give them the same respect and give them a choice aswell. Its not a transphobic issue its a common courtesy issue your makeing a choice for them how ever minor and you can say your not but you are.
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